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Disparities in the Salary of Resident Doctors in India


A doctor talking about salary has been an issue which has always been frowned upon in a country like India where public wants to see healthcare as a free social service. 


On the contrary, instead of asking the government, the political class and the policy makers for the free status of healthcare, the brunt of this expectation has to be borne by the doctors.

 

Hardly a few people from the general public actually have an idea about the money their elected government spend on them in a year. 


As per WHO's Global healthcare expenditure database, the healthcare expenditure by India per capita per year was just 5 dollars ( Just Rs. 369/ year/person !!) which is just barely above the expenditure by Pakistan and Bangladesh. 


India has one of the lowest expenditures on healthcare among 36 other OECD countries.


Sri Lanka's per capita expenditure on healthcare is 3-4 times higher than that of India. 


The table below shows the US$ per capita Health Expenditure of USA, UK, Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.



Countries

Indicators

Unit

2016

US$ per capita Health Expenditure

United States of America

Capital health expenditure

in current US$ per capita

343

United Kingdom

Capital health expenditure

in current US$ per capita

124

Sri Lanka

Capital health expenditure

in current US$ per capita

15

India

Capital health expenditure

in current US$ per capita

5

Pakistan

Capital health expenditure

in current US$ per capita

4

Bangladesh

Capital health expenditure

in current US$ per capita

1


This per capita health spending has wide disparities even within the country with Tamil Nadu having highest per capita expenditure of Rs 447/year/person and Bihar having lowest per capita expenditure of Rs 100/year/person (NIPFP, 2005).


Owing to this gross under funding of healthcare sector by the government, it translates into poor quality healthcare and very low pay scales for doctors and other health workers.


Apart from the problem of low Government expenditures in health, other issue that affects the doctors is the gross disparity in the salaries of Government doctors amongst different states of India. 

State wise sample salaries of Indian Resident doctors


Below are the state wise sample salaries of resident doctors- post MBBS, during PG and Super specialisation along with the institute review based on the survey conducted by WorldSurgeryForum.net.

Why Low salaries for Doctors are not justified?


The gross disparities between states and unjustifiably low salaries in some states are obvious by few of the examples below:

  • An Assistant Professor with a postgraduate qualification in a Medical College in Tamil Nadu having 20-30k lesser salary than a Junior resident post MBBS doctor in Delhi NCR.
  • An Assistant Professor in a Government Medical college in Tamil Nadu doing 50-60 hrs of duties along with night duties with many emergency surgeries and procedures per week having a lower salary than a Professor in arts/ science government college doing 30-40 hrs of duties in a week in the same city.  
  • A doctor in mid 30s working as a senior resident in a superspecialty department in a Medical college with post doctorate degrees giving 100-120 hrs of duties per week in Tamil Nadu having a lower salary than a graduate Call centre employee in the same city.


These issues start pinching manifold when a person has spent 50 lacs to 1 crore on his education or has been bonded with a government bond of Rs. 20 lacs to Rs. 2 crore for a period of 1-10 years!


Also read: WHY INDIAN MEDICAL AND SURGICAL SUPERSPECIALTY SEATS ARE GOING EMPTY?


These examples have become a big source of demotivation for a majority of doctors as these financial issues are compounded by not being able to give enough time to family leading to marital problems which are on the rise in the medical fraternity. 


Everybody is aware that the family life of young doctors goes for a toss as the duty hours for young resident Indian doctors can go upto 100-120 hours per week. Each doctor has to go through this heavy duty schedule in the starting 6-7 years of the career.


Another issue is that of unjust and unruly demonic bonds by various state governments. The government has taken the model of apprenticeship followed in Medical education in a very wrong way. 


Also Read: AN OPEN LETTER TO PMO: TRAINEE DOCTORS IN INDIA HAVE BECOME BONDED LABOURERS WITH NO CHOICE OF THEIR OWN (NEET SS BONDS)


In an apprenticeship model, where a trainee doctor is a valued component of the hospital workforce while he is also learning and improving his skills on the job. He is not like a post graduate engineering or humanities student who is just exclusively learning and is liable to pay a hefty fee. He is an apprentice; he is contributing much more to the system than he is learning on the job. 


The bond structure in our country has its origin in the premise that a trainee doctor is a student and is liable to pay full fee for his training. And if he is not paying the fee at par with a private sold or sponsored NRI seat, he is liable for a bond lasting for up to 10 years breaking which he is asked to pay an amount upto 2 crore rupees. This mind set has to be changed and requires a strong opposition from the medical fraternity!


Also read: DRACONIAN GOVERNMENT BONDS IN INDIA FOR GOVERNMENT MEDICAL SUPER SPECIALTY SEATS: 10 YEARS OR RS 2 CRORE!

Conclusion

Though discussing about salaries may not be considered good, but this is one issue that actually matters to each and every person who has old parents and a family to take care of, like people in all other professions. We should be open in discussing them because of these unjust and grave disparities in the pay structure across our country.


Looking at these issues we should call for a uniform pay scale structure for all resident doctors in the whole country, one which exists on paper in form of pay commission recommendations but is not followed by most of the state governments since Health happens to be a state subject.
References

What is NEXT exam?

NEXT is a national level exit exam after MBBS that will standardize the quality of general medical professionals who graduate to clinical practice. It is also intended to serve as the national level PG entrance examination for MBBS graduates.

This concept is similar to examinations in other countries (like the USMLE in the United States),

What is the Proposed format for NEXT exam ?



Proposed Next exam format at today's meeting with MCI BoG & Niti Aayog.In short, the final details are:

1. NEXT will be 2 exams.

2. Both will definitely implemented for the Batch of 2017. Batch of 2016 should be prepared to give a Qualifying exam at the end of Internship to be allowed to practice.

3. There will be consideration of quashing of the Final 2 Year Profs, converting them to IA by College and instead conducting a NEXT 1 exam (in March)after course completion (in Jan).

Those who qualify (Cutoff decided by NMC), they will be allowed to start Internship. Otherwise you have to wait 1 year (as of now).

We have strongly put forward the necessity of a Supplementary Exam and it will be considered, now that plans for quashing an Essay Based Final 3rd and 4th Profs is being discussed.

So we can hope for a Supple.

We will have only 2 months after Course Completion and NEXT 1.

4. At the end of Internship, there will be NEXT 2 (after 1 month). It will test Clinical Skills and there will definitely be Another attempt.

5. Scores will be in percentile.

6. NEXT 1 will be conducted over 3 days. I will share the Details asap. (Details are still confidential and can't be divulged right now before ratification). It will be in an integrated fashion.

Suggestions to JIPMERites: Closely follow NEET pattern as the same pattern will be followed in NEXT. (The same people who made this year's NEET will be making the paper for NEXT).

Stop solving Previous year JIPMER papers and only concentrate on developing the Concepts. (See AIIMS papers to have an understanding of what I mean)

There will be no separate JIPMER or AIIMS exam. (As decided till now.)

Extended info

There will be Two Exams under NEXT

NEXT1 1st after 4.5yrs - Licencing

NEXT2 2nd after 5.5yrs - PG Selection


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Medical Service Bond
Courtesy : Dr Ganesh Choudhari ( Laughing Doses: https://www.facebook.com/laughingdoses)

In already frustrating life of doctors working hard to get super specialty seats, TN government added fuel to the fire by adding a draconian bond clause. Service bond of 10 years or 2 crores. This was mainly done thinking outside state people will not opt and the seats will come to the state.

There is so much disparity in the medical  education bonds and stipends across states, that it is getting outrightly unjust for doctors from bond free states to pursue a course in states with a bond. This is creating virtual boundaries, where states like Tamil Nadu are locking their seats for local candidates.

The general life of doctors in these states is also getting degraded day by day, with lowest in country stipend, struggles with the bond, allocation in non specialty general posts while serving government bonds and loss of prime years of one's career in bond service.

Despite so many years of bond clause for taking government hospitals seats, there is very little benefit in terms of proper teaching, unlimited work hours, shitty hostel facilities, non availability of latest investigation and treatment protocols and around 4-5 lakhs of fees even for joining a supposedly free seat. This coupled with a 10 years of service in a district hospital with nil facilities will just make doctors who will be mediocre and never ready to provide a global standard of healthcare in India.

As against this, a doctor educated in a private medical college will have a clear edge in terms of latest technology, good learning facilities, time to settle and establish in a better rewarding career while having a good quality of life.

A recent Maharashtra government’s rule to disqualify postgraduate medical aspirants who have not completed the one-year rural service is also biased towards non-domiciles and students from private and deemed medical colleges, who don’t have to comply to a rural stint. By this rule, current students are being compelled to suffer as far as academics is concerned, when same 1 year bond period can be smoothly performed even at a later stage without risking the future prospects. This will jeopardize the selection prospects and the career of young deserving doctors who can provide world class medical care if allowed to train for super specialty. (News: http://www.freepressjournal.in/mumbai/mumbai-private-college-students-preferred-for-pg-medical-admissions/1160579)

It is high time such draconian bond clauses should be opposed by medical fraternity all over India with all the vigour!

Current status of PG bonds in various states:

Current status of PG bonds in various states

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Quora: How much do Doctors earn??
Ans by Rahat Monga

Not me, but my sister is a doctor.

Firstly I'll mention her earnings, then what she sacrified to become a doctor.

So, her earnings,

While she was doing her internship (2013–2014), the stipend she used to get was 15,000 INR.

Then, in 2015, she did a contract based job for 6 months and got some 70,000 INR.

And now, in her PG, MD( obstetrics and gynaecology) she's getting 88,000.

What all she sacrificed,

Ummm, not only her, but us, her family too. :)

Well we are a nuclear family of 5. Mom, Dad, Deedo (i love calling her this), Me, Brother. She was born in 1991, me in 1996 and bro came to us in 2001. So, a gap of 5-years in 2 of us lead us in 3 different stages of life always, till date, unless all of us are adults.

So, when i was in 6th standard and bro was in 1st, we had to bid goodbye to our didi to Chandigarh, 190 kms from our town, for her medical entrance exams coaching. You see, how little was he, 6.5 years old! And she was his favorite in house. He used to cry every evening missing her to be home. I used to sit beside her and chatter about my day for a long time and used to go to her taking every little problem, from personal to fights with bro to my homework and drawings, she would do it all. And now, i was the elder kid in home. That sucked. I barely used to talk to her on phone, as i just used to sit beside mom and listen to her conversation with Deedo, reason being, she had to study and i was an introvert. She used to visit us every 2.5 months only for 2 days, and used to cry everytime i bid her goodbye and take a promise from her that next time she would come soon. But no, to get something we have to lose. Papa Mumma missed her a lot, of course. Papa's favourite child. Okay, time passed, 2008, with God's grace, she got a great rank in All India Medical test exams for UG, she got MBBS in Bangalore Medical College and Research Institute, Bangalore. This time, 2024 kms away, but we were happy. Didi was going to be a Doctor. She used to visit us after every year for 15 days and we grew up almost without her. She graduated in March,2014, when i passed my 12th and bro was now in 7th standard. You see, he entered in teenage and me in adulthood, almost without her.

Then she started to prepare for her MD entrance exams but luck didn't favour her for the first attempts.

Decided to try again, second time and this time, she did a job for 6 months in Government hospital, 32 sector, Chandigarh to gain some experience, and to freshen up her mind from constant studying. This time,2015, she didn't get a rank of her choice so she decided to try again. Not an easy-peasy task, only medicos know this. Hats off to them!

2016, second attempt, again, she wanted to clear for AIIMS or PGI, Chandigarh or a good government college in All India exam. Her wish, though, was to in AIIMS.

But, 2017, not yet.

3 years of her constant struggle, hard work and we had to be away from her. Why? Because in these 3 years, even when she was in home, no one from us was allowed to go her room. But we were happy, at least she was with us.

I am a naughty kid at home (officially an adult but I'm a kid at home). I just used to open her room steadily, smile like an idiot, say Hi! And come back.

Thank God🙏🏻

2018, she got AIIMS, Delhi, her dream college and now she is in second year MD (obstetrics and gynaecology) working from 7 am in morning till 11 pm or sometimes even late till, 1 or 2 am. Holidays? Doctors don't get that. Okay, once per month. Since then 2018 , she has got home twice, once for one day and this time for 2-3 days. But, since Delhi, is an overnight journey, we get to go there sometimes.

Brother is now 18.5 Years old, I'm almost 24, Missing her since 11 years. We love her like anything.

Being doctor ain't easy. Almost every doctor's life is like that.

She used to be little arrogant and stubborn but since she has been doing and completed her MBBS, she's turned into such a humble person that I'm shocked.

I think, if soldiers protect us from border, doctors protect us in the border

Source: https://www.quora.com/How-much-do-doctors-earn/answer/Rahat-Monga?ch=10&share=eecb00f4&srid=oKcj

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This post was originally published on facebook group NEET PG and DNB 2018 Counselling Aid and Update by Dr Chiranjeevi Nayak . It very well describes the unheard demand of lakhs of PG aspirants. The author has highlighted funny and illogical ironies of Indian medical education system and why most Indian doctors are going to grow weaker clinically in the coming years. 


Long post. Bear with me.

After completing MBBS, most of us want to get into PG.  Whoever says just a MBBS degree is enough is joking. The kind of training we receive in MBBS is no where sufficient. (I did not know ACLS protocol or most emergency medicine protocols, till I studied them seriously for PG)

Now coming to the entrance exam itself, NBE changes the pattern every year. No clinical questions at all! How does knowing about HaraKiri and the height a mosquito can fly to, help me in becoming a good doctor. Maybe it increases your GK. Why cant we have a USMLE based paper. Two exams, one part containing first 2 year subjects, conducted on one sunday and the next part next sunday having next 2 year subjects. With more clinical and decision making questions.

But why take 1 month to declare results in the age of lightning fast Google search results?

Next, the dilemma with different courses. DNB, MD/MS and Diploma. Why have Diploma at all? Whats the point? Why cant it be converted to MD. And DNB has low passing rate but is considered clinically a better degree? So why does everyone prefer MD? Because you can pass easily? Then why do most MDs do DNB post MD? Also, why are there MD courses in non clinicals in PG? Why are non clinical taught by doctors? (In developed countries, its usually taught by MSC PhD candidates who are more research and teaching oriented) Why not a nationalized degree? Why not have only clinical PG seats?

Why doesnt the government keep equal number of seats in PG and UG. Why most PG seats in private colleges? America has more PG seats than UG seats. Also the training period being only 3 years for all MD courses? Just 3 years for Ortho and OBG? Every subject should be as long as the subjects course content and training requirement. (America has 5 year for OBG, 4 for Anesthesia etc) And why not Government sponsered PG course? Why ask the students to pay huge fees in private colleges? Rather they should be paid a stipend.

Reservations! (Im a category student) Do we require it in Post Graduation? UG accepted. But specialty PG? Or at least Category students should be made to do extra rural service?

Coaching institutes? I think it is more profitable in opening a coaching institute than being a super specialist.

There are many more such problems. But be determined guys. If not this time, certainly next time. Keep working hard. You will succeed.

RANT OVER.
Dr Chiranjeevi Nayak

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1. Myth - Medical profession is a noble profession

Fact- Every profession, whether of a teacher, soldier, tailor or shopkeeper, is noble, if done with sincerity and integrity. A careless doctor can kill one, a careless driver can kill dozens, a careless engineer can kill hundreds.

2. Myth - As it is a service to humanity, doctors should not run after money

Fact - money is an important measure of success. Running after it is not good for anybody, but earning more money by doing more work is not a moral crime.
And all who advising doctors, themselves running after money, aren''t they?

3. Myth - The whole medical community is bad because a few doctors are not honest

Fact- doctors do not come from mars or venus. If a few supreme court judges or army generals can be corrupt, so can a few doctors be. That does not make the whole medical community bad.

4. Myth - Most of the time, doctors do not understand the disease and write unnecessary and costly drugs and advise tests and treat on a trial basis

Fact- doctor patient relationship is based on trust, if you do not trust your doctor, go to another one. Medical science is a life long learning process, and all treatment, to some extent is based on trial and error. The same medicine, which works for one patient may not work on another.

Second, the responsibility of providing quality drugs at affordable prices lies not with the doctor, but with the state authorities, just like providing for better roads, unadulterated quality food and dairy products, uninterrupted power and water supply etc and etc. Like cloths, cars and mobile phones, costly drugs are generally better than cheap ones. However, if the government makes it mandatory to write generics, it should ensure quality and the consequence of poor/non efficacy should not be blamed on doctors.

Third, tests are done for patient’s own safety. Just like wearing a helmet or seat belt, investigations increase the safety. Most of the doctors in india are trained to work on clinical hunch and common sense and not rely too much on tests, and advise much less tests than what is actually written in the book or done in the developed world.

5. Myth - Treatment costs are increasing because of doctors

Fact- The professional fee of doctors is just one fraction of the treatment costs. Increasing patient expectation for healthcare outcomes, rapid advancement in technology and equipments driven by years of costly medical research, for profit corporations running healthcare establishments are other factors which drive the costs.

6. Myth - Doctors are next to God

Fact - doctors are as human as can be. They also get tired, fall sick, have family commitments, get upset and stressed sometimes and can suffer from all the frailties of a human being. If anyone wanted to be treated by the God then they can simply visit their place of worship.


P.S.

This post is not meant to be objective and politically correct, but it is very subjective and carries a perspective of the ever tortured community of doctors in India having to bear the burden of government's' inability to provide proper healthcare to its people. There is a clear mismatch between the declared objective of universal healthcare through the public health system and the actual level of government expenditure. The doctors always being in frontline have been made easy scapegoats and poster boys for what is all wrong with our healthcare. Starting from the issues of never ending lifetime service bonds in exchange for medical education to draconian bills like KPME amendment bill 2017 (which is being tabled in karnataka assembly) shows how systematically the government is putting all the burden of its impotencies on the shoulder of India's doctors.

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NEET SS Bond



To,

The Prime Minister's Office,
New Delhi
India


Respected Sir,

Subject : Resident Doctor Protection Act for NEET SS counselling 2017.

A general misconception amongst people is that the government is spending whole lot of money in training of postgraduate specialty MS/MD and  super-specialty MCh/DM doctors. But the reality is that a Post graduate or a superspeciality MCH, DM resident doctor (JR/SR) is the backbone for carrying out all the work in any department in a government or a private hospital. Without resident doctors which constitute a cheap labour, it is impossible to run a hospital 24 hours for 7 days a week.

The main purpose of government medical colleges is not only training of doctors but they are mainly tertiary institutes for medical and surgical treatment of poor public. Only a minute fraction of public funds goes towards training of resident doctors which is all taken back as yearly fees, hostel fees, exam fees, library fees etc.

There are actually no training and simulation facilities provided to trainee resident doctors in government medical colleges and they are asked to straight away start on patients from first day of their residency.

Majority of funds put in government hospitals are for patient welfare. There are actually no training and simulation facilities provided to trainee resident doctors in government medical colleges and they are asked to straight away start on patients from first day. So the premise that a lot of money is invested for training postgraduate specialty MS/MD and  super-specialty MCh/DM doctors is not true.

It is the duty of the government to provide a fair opportunity, basic necessities for safe working environment and security of these doctors. At present the following problems are being faced

1. Working hours

There is no prescribed working hours for a resident doctor and hence many doctors are forced to work more than 100 hours in a week. The decision making capacity would begin to decline after long working hours and can have dangerous implications on the health of the patient.

2. Financial insecurity

There has to be a uniform pay for a resident doctor working in any hospital throughout the country. The medical course is long (12 to 15 years) and most resident doctors need to take care of their families and children also. Some colleges are paying a salary of 25000 for a 30 year Senior Resident.

3. Safe working environment

The number of attacks on doctors at hospitals is increasing every day. Many a times it is the lack of infrastructural facilities that is causing problems.

4. Bonds

It takes 16 years to establish as a consultant in medicine. (6 yrs- mbbs + 3 yrs MD/ MS + 3 yrs for DM /Mch + Individual Work Experience ). Some states are imposing a work bond of 5 to 10 years after pursuing a seat in a particular speciality (DM/MCH). By the time a doctor finishes such a course and bond completion of 10 years  he would be 45 years. There is a high possibility that a doctor might die with a heart disease while still pursuing the courses and bonds of the government which are now adding up to 25 to 30 years in total with a fixed meagre pay. They will never get to pursue their own interest in life. These days with so many restrictions on doctors, it is even getting difficult to find a spouse for marriage, as people don't want to spoil the life of their children by getting them married to a doctor.

Following is the latest status of bonds for superspecialization (DM/MCh) in various states:


  • Delhi - No
  • Punjab- No
  • Haryana- No
  • UP- No
  • Maharashtra- 2 crores/ 1 Year
  • Raj- 25 lakhs/ 5 years
  • MP - No
  • Kerela - 2 crores/ 2 years
  • Karnataka- 50 lakhs/ 3 years
  • TN - 2 crores/ 10 years
  • Gujarat - 50 Laks/ 3 years
  • West Bengal for 3 years, 10 lakhs for each year


5. Hostel facilities

Some colleges do not provide accommodation when joining the course. The conditions of some of these hostels are worst and are poorly maintained. There is no good quality food provided in the mess of some hostels.

Suggested Solutions


Hence I request you to pass a Resident Doctor Protection Act which will uphold the interests of  resident doctors in colleges with following provisions

1. Working Hours. With frame work on maximum permitted working hours per week. Highest permitted straight shifts.( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_resident_work_hours). Guidelines can be based on this article. Working hours should be monitored with biometric system and if doctors are overworked corresponding department and institute should be penalized.

2. One Designation One Pay. The doctor pursuing  Dm/Mch should be given same salary irrespective of college or institute he is working in which should be uniform throughout the country

3. Regulations for Safe working environment and security in the hospitals .

4. In the name of bonds resident doctors are being abused and made to work for 5 to 10 years with a fixed meager pay. Hence de-linking of medical education with bonds has to be done. Any sort of bonds should be abolished. And all existing bonds should be cut down to maximum of 1 year.

5. Provision of hostel facilities, mess with nutritious food and hygenic drinking water at working areas and hostels should be part of mci inspection before giving nod for recognition of courses at all institutes.


Sir in the present scenario many doctors are pledging that they will not let their children take up medicine profession because of the above mentioned difficulties. With NEET superspeciality 2017 admissions happening in the next week if the above mentioned act is passed it will provide security to thousands of doctors to safely pursue their course and provide service to all people in this country. It will inspire the future generation to take medicine as a profession with reassurance.

Thank you



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